I would like to thank Bruce for consenting to debate on the topic “God is justified in allowing evil in the world.” For this debate, we have agreed on terms and definitions as follows:
1. “God” is the maximally great, 3-omni being. Bruce’s task is to show that it is necessarily true, (or eminently reasonable to believe) that no MGB exists, based on the Problem of Evil (PoE) in the world. It’s stipulated that the PoE in no way proves that there is no supernatural origin to the world, but only that if there is a creator, He is either not omni-benevolent, or not omnipotent, or both.
2. My task in this debate is to shoulder the burden of proof, arguing in the affirmative, that indeed God is justified in allowing evil in the world. I intend to show that it is necessarily true, or at least eminently reasonable to believe, that God is justified in allowing evil, in order to complete His plan for His created intelligent beings.
I will not be arguing that God exists. That is beyond the scope of my responsibility for this debate. Nor will I be arguing that God’s created intelligent beings have free-will of an extent that allows them to make undetermined, independent decisions. That is also beyond the scope of my responsibility. Both of these are givens from my perspective in the context of this debate.
Of course Bruce does have the responsibility to show that God doesn’t exist according to the terms. Any argument for determinism, or against the free-will of intelligent creatures would constitute a different debate topic.
In proceeding then, I will offer three arguments. Each of these arguments severally makes a strong case that God is justified in allowing evil. I believe that when we consider the weight of these arguments cumulatively, any rational person would be obliged to agree with the conclusion, that an MGB God is justified in allowing evil to exist in this world.
In addition, each of these arguments are connected to each other by a common purpose. That is, God’s purpose for the creation of the universe. In order to set the background for understanding God’s purpose, I would like to offer the following statements:
1st – It is immeasurably good for an intelligent free-will being to live eternally in full, knowledgeable, intimate relationship with God and other intelligent free-will beings.
2nd – God created this universe in order to prepare, test, and educate intelligent free-will beings for eternal life with Him and other intelligent free-will beings in heaven.
3rd – In heaven, intelligent free-willed former human beings never sin.
With this understanding as a backdrop, I will move on to my three arguments.
1. Argument from Entailment – God’s Problem of Evil (GPoE)
Entailment is a strong word. It means “always”. It means that there isn’t any choice in the matter. A proposition that is metaphysically entailed to be true, is always true in any possible world.
For example, the incoherence of a married bachelor is generally accepted as an absurdity, and so it is. Other examples of incoherent absurdities that God cannot instantiate despite His omnipotence would be an abstract mathematical equation wherein it is true that 2+2=5, or a rock that is so big that God cannot lift it, or a river so wide that He cannot cross it, etc. These absurdities are absurdities in this world, and in all possible worlds that can be conceived.
Therefore, the argument from entailment says this:
“At the moment of creation of any and every free-willed intelligent being, the possibility of evil also comes into being.”
I doubt that my opponent will argue that good or evil do not exist, since this is a debate about the PoE, so I won’t spend a lot of words in proof of the existence of evil. However, for clarity sake I will present a description: good is that which communicates truth, love, and selflessness. Evil is the opposite, or that which does not communicate truth and love, including lies, hatred, and selfishness. God hates evil to an extent that He has made laws against it.
Let’s look at a civil war field hospital. The intrepid surgeon spends his days digging out bullets and hacking off limbs. Regardless of the momentary opinions of the objects of his surgeries, he is communicating truth, love, and selflessness to wounded soldiers. He is saving their lives, no matter how much pain he is causing at the same time. The perceived “evil” that they endure at his hands is soon forgotten, swallowed up by their gratitude for the good thing he did in saving their lives.
Light and darkness would be analogous to good and evil in their relationship to each other. Darkness is simply the absence of light. Heat and cold, by the same token. Cold is simply the absence of heat. The existence of light entails the possibility of “not light” and so on with heat and cold. The creation of the present entails the possibility of the absent.
Simply put, when God creates a free-willed being, that being has choices. And the possibility exists from that moment of creation for that being to choose to do evil rather than good. This is God’s Problem of Evil (GPoE), and in order to maximize the 1st purpose, God must deal with it. God didn’t create the evil, He created the good, which entails the possibility of the evil – a big problem.
The question immediately presents, does then the good that comes from the creation of free-willed intelligent beings outweigh the possible evil that entails?
I would say yes. Again, God’s purpose listed as 1st above. I look forward to living forever in familiar loving fellowship with God and with others. I am glad to be alive and have that opportunity. The fact that others choose to do evil rather than good, or even that I have to suffer some evil during this life has no impact on my belief that it’s a good thing to be alive.
One might argue that since they don’t believe in the God that I am describing, and they don’t believe in the eternal life that I am describing, that therefore my argument is invalid. But again, in order to defeat my argument, my opponent must show that the argument from entailment is illogical, or incoherent, or absurd. He must defeat the argument, not assail my beliefs, and thereby, by weight of evidence, prove that the MGB God does not exist.
In conclusion, the MGB God, in order to fulfill His purpose of immeasurable goodness as listed 1st above, would certainly go forward with His creation of free-willed intelligent beings, even with the entailed possibility of evil.
So much more I could say, but I will save it for rebuttals and instead now move on to my next argument.
2. Argument from Context.
This is where the rubber meets the road so to speak. It is a recurrent biblical theme, that God uses the “day of evil” for His good purposes. In speaking to his brothers and allaying their fears, Joseph said “You meant it for evil, but God used it for good, to bring to pass this great salvation…”
The argument from context says that God allows the entailed possibility of evil, and even uses the evil that results from wrong decisions, for His good purposes.
As an entry point, I will offer this statement:
“No word or proposition can be properly understood in the absence of its relevant, definitional context.”
Pick a word, any word. Recently I posted the word “batter” in the OP of a thread and asked for the definition. Of course, there were many. The word has to do with baseball, or pancakes, or hitting somebody. So we see that with no definitional context as a referent, there is no way to tell what the word means.
Expanding on this, let’s refer back to our civil war field hospital that I mentioned earlier. Let’s further say it has 20 beds, and all of them are occupied by wounded soldiers. Those men of late shared a common context, one of the worst, most brutal contexts that can be imagined. Bullets, bombs, dismemberment, screaming, pain, death. They were each surrounded by this state of affairs for various lengths of time before they were wounded seriously enough to end up in the field hospital.
Important to our discussion, is the fact that they are each DEFINED as human beings by their response to their context – their performance within that context, if you will. They demonstrated by their individual performances in battle what sort of person they each are.
No doubt some percentage of them behaved with great valor. Through some great feat in the heat of battle, they demonstrated heroism. Perhaps even enough to earn a Medal of Honor, the highest military decoration given in the US.
Does the award of a medal impart any courage for the demonstration? Of course not. This isn’t the cowardly lion in the land of Oz. Rather, the medal recognizes what the battle revealed in the character of the heroic soldier.
By the same token, there are beds occupied by cowards who got shot in the back as they ran away. There is maybe an officer who was shot by a soldier who decided the officer was inept and was going to get them all killed. There might be a soldier who was shot by one of his fellows who had a grudge.
The deepest substance of the character of each man is, therefore, definitionally demonstrated within the boundaries of their individual context, of which the battlefield is a part.
Now let’s expand this concept. I’ll start with another statement –
“God created this universe, with the entailed possibility of evil in it, in order to give Himself the best possible context in which to demonstrate His maximal greatness, to all of His created intelligent free-will beings, so that He could be fully known by them.”
This statement of “so that” purpose also applies to the 2nd and the 3rd statements of purpose listed above. In other words, God’s use of this context in demonstrating who He is, also serves to demonstrate who we should be, and who we will be, in spite of the prevalence of our bad choices.
This is God’s plan for dealing with His problem of evil.
He could deal with the GPoE by simply eradicating any and all who decide to do evil. That way He would protect those who do good. But if He did that, all we would know of Him is that He hates evil, and He is quick to wipe anybody out who makes a bad decision. The 1st purpose could never be realized. Full familiar relationship is not possible with someone that you are afraid of.
Or He could simply create beings who are incapable of evil. However, that would make the 1st statement of purpose impossible, because relationship must be entered in to freely by someone with a choice to not enter into that relationship in order for it to be of any value.
Or He could plan, from before the world began, to fully demonstrate His love for all of His created intelligent beings. He could, at the right time in history, enter into His creation, by being born as a man, taking on the likeness of man, and experiencing for Himself every weakness of mankind, and do so without ever doing any evil. This was Jesus of Nazareth.
By this, we gain knowledge of God that we could not gain any other way.
For it to be adequate in describing who God is, and demonstrating what maximal love is, it is essential that this definitional context (the world) be suffused with horrible evil. There had to be self-righteous, utterly evil men in positions of authority, who would be willing to torture and crucify a perfectly innocent man who had never done anything wrong.
This demonstration of love perfectly offers salvation to all who fail as a result of God’s Problem of Evil. In fact, the bible says that “God has bound all men and women over to rebellion, so that He could have mercy on all”.
By His death, Christ fulfilled all of the righteous requirements of God’s law, so that now, all of God’s created intelligent free-will human beings have the opportunity to participate in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd purpose listed above, based on faith. God offers redemption to those ensnared due to GPoE.
None of this could have happened absent a context that is suffused with evil. And it is truly evil. However, God used this context of evil to demonstrate in maximal fashion who He is, what maximal love is, and to offer redemption and eternal life to anyone who would believe.
In order for my opponent to defeat the argument from context, he has to offer rational arguments that prove that an MGB God would not use a context of evil by sacrificing Himself in human form, Jesus of Nazareth, in order to offer salvation freely to all mankind, and thus fulfill His 1st, 2nd, and 3rd purpose listed above.
3. Argument for Soul-Building
The argument for soul-building builds on the foundation established by the GPoE entailment of the possibility of evil, and God’s response illustrated by the argument from context. It applies specifically to the 2nd and 3rd purposes that I listed above.
In the argument from context, I sought to show how God uses the context of a world suffused with evil to demonstrate who He is, and what He is like. I also said that human beings, in like manner, demonstrate their own individual characteristics within their unique definitional context.
But what about those characteristics? Are they set in stone? Can we do anything about them?
The argument for soul-building says that God’s purpose is to use the evil in the world to mold us into better people. It compares who we are, with who we should be, and who He wants us to be. It says that the context of battle doesn’t only reveal what we are made of, but rather that by extremity of pressure, we are changed.
We become better, or we become worse.
If we respond appropriately, this in turn prepares us to meet God’s 3rd higher purpose, that we would be equipped to live in heaven for eternity with free-will intact and without sinning.
As an example, very few us are worried in the slightest that we might someday murder our mothers, or torture babies for pleasure, or blow up our neighbor’s house just to watch it burn down. In heaven, ANY sin would be tantamount to these examples. Though we still have free-will intact, we will not be worried that we might sin.
We are familiar with sin and the consequences of evil because we have lived it. How it hurts ourselves and others. We won’t want to have anything to do with it.
A wise person once said to me that “people never change, until it hurts too badly not to.” This is clear to parents who are busy about raising their children with the hope that they will have happy successful lives. We love our children and we want the very best for them.
But in order to equip them for success, we must deal with bad or selfish decisions by use of painful consequences, and teach them that it’s good to share, it’s good to cooperate, and it’s good to love. They are intelligent free-willed creatures just like us, and we have to teach them to be good.
Painful experiences change us. The painful experiences that we live through because of evil in the world, can help to mold us into good people.
God is certainly justified in allowing evil in the world for the greater, immeasurable good of equipping us to live for eternity in heaven with Him without any fear of doing something evil.
I am out of room. I hope for the opportunity to expand in rebuttal