maranatha33 wrote:
You reject the most important of Scripture, as you reject the words of Jesus Christ.
Simply put, Scripture can not contradict Scripture. Your understanding of the golden rule is contradicted by Eph 2:8,9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Your understanding of Scripture is wrong. Not debatable.
But you yourself said that Scripture contradicts Scripture. It's just that you said that you did not consider those contradictions to be important ones. And you are quite correct that the Bible contains contradictions, particularly in the Old Testament. To say otherwise would be to speak in ignorance or mendaciousness.
Nor does Ephesians 2:8,9 contradict Jesus Christ's clear statements on this matter. You are trying to create a false dichotomy in order so that you can have an excuse for ignoring Jesus Christ's clear Command to everyone.
As I said, there is no dichotomy between belief and action. All consciously-chosen action is predicated upon belief. We can either make conscious choices based upon correct belief, or false belief--but some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action. This is logically unavoidable.
What you are promoting is a truly demonic doctrine, as it is this false doctrine which is in large part responsible for most of those who call themselves "Christians" feeling that they are completely free to ignore Jesus Christ's teachings. Jesus Christ is quite clear that the only way one can believe in Him is by following His Commandment. Below is what Jesus states is to be the fate of those who violate his Command (Matthew 7:21-27, New King James Version; cf. Luke 6:46-49; John 14:12,15,21,23,24; 15:10; 1 John 2:3-6; 5:2,3):
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"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
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There is nothing ambiguous about Jesus Christ's above statement. You're attempting to create a false dichotomy between belief and action with Ephesians 2:8,9, but there is no dichotomy between belief and consciously-chosen action. Your illogical interpretation of Ephesians 2:8,9 is causing you to reject Christ's unambiguous teachings on this matter.
Ephesians 2:8,9 is perfectly consistent with the logically unavoidable fact that all consciously-chosen action is predicated upon belief.
So obviously you yourself don't believe that all of Scripture is correct. It's just that you reject the most critical parts of the Scripture: you hold Jesus Christ's teachings to be false.
If you start with a misunderstanding of Scripture this is where you end up. Jesus never said we could earn salvation. It is a free gift from the only Perfect sacrifice for our sins. And it cheapens the ultimate price He paid for us on the Cross, by claiming otherwise. If the Apostle Paul can say that he still sins, (by the flesh) then by your reasoning, Paul is in Hell. Don't think so.
See above. You're trying to create a false dichotomy in order to have an excuse for ignoring Jesus Christ's unambiguous teachings on this matter.
God knows the sum total of our minds, and He is able to discern whether or not a person has attempted to make a *genuine* effort to abide by Jesus Christ's Commandment and to repent if having violated it. (On repentance, see Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32; 15:7; 24:47; 1 John 1:8-10. Cf. John 5:14; 8:11.) So your attempt to dichotomize belief and consciously-chosen action doesn't work, nor could it work, since logically speaking some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action.
As well, anyone who advances the idea that because something is "God-breathed" that it is therefore infallible is themself violating what Scripture says on this matter.
It violates your misunderstanding of Scripture, but Sola Fida is still true, just read Romans...
No mortal human has ever had a better understanding of Scripture than do I. I don't say that out of arrogance, I say that because it is the truth, because I speak the truth and I because want others to know the truth. I was called by Jesus for a reason, and that reason is to explain to people (1) theological ethics and soteriology in a comprehensive and logically-coherent manner; (2) how the known laws of physics prove God's existence while demonstrating the exacting and extensive consilience of the New Testament with said physical laws; (3) the nature of God in light of said physical laws; (4) the End Time, the Tribulation, the Second Coming of Jesus, the foundation of Heaven on Earth, and the universal resurrection of the dead in light of said physical laws; and (5) the End Time in light of the history of the globalist oligarchy's self-termed New World Order world government and world religion agenda.
Item No. 1 is important vis-à-vis salvation for those who maintain that they already believe in Jesus Christ's Godhead. Items Nos. 2-5 are important in letting atheists, believers in other religions, and nominal ersatz "Christians" know that God as described by the New Testament does exist and that the New Testament is true. Items Nos. 2-5 are additionally important in giving believers in Christ a much deeper understanding of God and of the End Time, so that they may be strengthened in their faith during the extreme horrors to come and so that they will not fall for the deceptions of the Beast governmental system.
For the explication of the foregoing items, read my below articles:
James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Aug. 6, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 , http://archive.org/search.php?query=t74t7n54x , http://scribd.com/doc/79273334 , http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , http://webcitation.org/69kSvuziV , http://flashmirrors.com/files/1foosl5woi2rgy2/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf .
James Redford, "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001), 60 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 , http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf , http://webcitation.org/66AIz2rJw .
James Redford, "Libertarian Anarchism Is Apodictically Correct", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 15, 2011, 9 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1972733, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1972733 , http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Apodictic-Libertarianism.pdf , http://webcitation.org/63xyCLjLm .
And again, you're above trying to create a false dichotomy in order to have an excuse for ignoring Jesus Christ's unambiguous teachings on this matter. However, there is no dichotomy between belief and action. All consciously-chosen action is predicated upon belief. We can either make conscious choices based upon co
rrect belief, or false belief--but some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action. This is logically unavoidable.
See Galatians 2:11-21, where Paul strongly rebukes Peter for Peter's error in teaching that people still had to obey the so-called "Law of Moses"--and this is after the apostles had been given the gift of the Holy Spirit [see Acts 2:1-4]!
Please tell me you are joking. Paul rebuking Peter hardly invalidates Scripture. In fact, it actually verifies the Truth, since historical figures were seldom presented as flawed characters in historical writings...
Yet the Holy Spirit is the God-breathed Presence given to the faithful--indeed, according to Scripture God imparts His inspiration via the Holy Spirit--and so according to your illogic, those who have been given the gift of the Holy Spirit by definition cannot commit error, since that is what "God-breathed" means according to you.
Your error is that that is not what "God-breathed" means: the definition of "God-breathed" does not mean "infallible". "God-breathed" literally means "inspired by God" ("inspired" literally means "breathed into"). Being inspired by God leaves open the possibility for error.
My above articles are God-breathed, as are my postings on this forum. Indeed, I was converted from atheism by a direct revelation from Jesus Christ for exactly this purpose: to help people come to a much deeper understanding of God. But that doesn't make me infallible.
You're making up false definitions and these false definitions are leading you into theological error.
So obviously even the apostles themselves were not incapable of error, even after having been given the Holy Spirit.
Everyone who ever lived, with the exception of the Lord, Himself, is flawed. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" comes to mind.
Yes, that is what I have been saying.
(So simply being "God-breathed" does not mean infallible. The two terms are not synonyms. "God-breathed" means precisely that: *inspired* by God [inspired literally means breathed into].)
Actually it means breathed out of, Coming from, not going too...
There you go with your incorrect definitions again.
The word you're describing would be "expired". "Inspired" literally means "breathed into".
According to John A. Simpson and Edmund S. C. Weiner (Eds.), The Oxford English Dictionary (Oxford, UK: Clarendon Press, 2nd ed., 1989):
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expiration (____________). Also 7 exsp-.
[ad. L. ex(s)p_ration-em, n. of action f. ex(s)p_rare to expire.]
The action of expiring.
1. The action of breathing out (air, etc.); emission (of air, wind, etc.); an instance of this. Const. of.
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inspire (___________), v. Forms: _. 47 enspire, 5 enspyr, 56 enspyre. _. 4 ynspyre, -ire, 47 inspyre, 6 Sc. inspyr, -ir, 5 inspire.
[a. OF. enspirer, inspirer (13th c.), espirer (12th c. in Littre), ad. L. insp_rare to blow or breathe into, f. in- (in-2) + sp_rare to breathe.]
I. Literal (physical) senses.
1. trans. To breathe or blow upon or into. Obs. or arch.
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You yourself don't believe in Scripture. Thus, you are being a hypocrite on this matter. Even worse than being just a hypocrite, you are being an especially demon-possessed hypocrite on this matter, as you encourage others to disregard Jesus Christ's unambiguous Commandment of the Golden Rule.
Your assumption that the golden rule is the requirement for heaven is completely false. You are trying to find things to validate your works, but you only contradict Scripture.
Jesus Christ said that there are only two requirements for a person to receive eternal life (Luke 10:25-28, New King James Version; cf. Matthew 19:19; 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-34):
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And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
He said to him, "What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?"
So he answered and said, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.'"
And He said to him, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
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But these two requirements actually logically reduce to only one requirement: to love your neighbor as yourself. As Jesus said anything that we do to any of the least of His brethren we do to Him (see Matthew 25:31-46). So if we truly love each other then we automatically love God as well (cf. 1 John 2:10; 4:20).
When Jesus said of Himself, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6, New King James Version; cf. John 11:25), He was there being as literal as it is possible to be. In other words, the Second Person of the Trinity is literally *truth itself*, i.e., the Logos (see John 1:1-5).
An equivalent formulation of this is Jesus's ethic of the Golden Rule which He commanded everyone to follow (see Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31). Another equivalent formulation of this is Jesus's Commandment that we love one another as He has loved us (see John 15:12,17; 13:15,34,35; 1 John 3:11,12,23; 4:11,20,21). Everything that Jesus ever commanded people to do can be logically reduced back to this one principle.
As John wrote in one of his letters (1 John 2:10, New King James Version): "He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him." As Paul wrote, "Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." (Romans 13:10, New King James Version; cf. Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:13,14; 1 Corinthians 13:1-13.) This is the Perfect Law of Liberty and the Royal Law (see James 1:25; 2:8-12).
He told you in no uncertain terms that the only way you can authentically worship Him is by following His Commandment.
You are really stretching, James. First it is "loved", not "worship". Second, neither is a requirement for salvation. The only commandment the Lord gave us for salvation is "You must be born again." After being born again, you will fall in love with Jesus, but it is a result of, not a method to, salvation.
Going by this illogic of yours, one can be a saved without loving Jesus Christ. Furthermore, love is a component of worship: to worship someone is to love that someone, as well as to abide by that someone. Jesus said that if one genuinely loves Him that one will abide by His Commandments: see John 14:12,15,21,23,24; 15:10; 1 John 2:3-6; 5:2,3. Thus, according to Jesus's statements on this issue, to be genuinely born again one must abide by His Commandments (cf. Matthew 7:21-27; Luke 6:46-49).
Yet you have tried to create a false dichotomy here. There is no discontinuity between belief and action. If one believes in something, then one will act upon it. And actions (in the sense of consciously-chosen action) can only be the result of beliefs a person holds. Thus, ultimately belief and action are one and the same (in the sense that any consciously-chosen action must be the result of some belief).
This is no more than stretching to prove your anti Biblical position. The only requirement for salvation is being born again. Then when the Holy
Spirit takes up residence, our love grows. Belief and action the same thing? Don't tell the Apostle Peter that, He denied even knowing Jesus. Is this action worthy of Hell?
Jesus said that if one genuinely loves Him that one will abide by His Commandments: see John 14:12,15,21,23,24; 15:10; 1 John 2:3-6;
5:2,3. Thus, according to Jesus's statements on this issue, to be genuinely born again one must abide by His Commandments (cf. Matthew 7:21-27; Luke 6:46-49).
God knows the sum total of our minds, and He is able to discern whether or not a person has attempted to make a *genuine* effort to abide by Jesus Christ's Commandments and to repent if having violated it. (On repentance, see Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32; 15:7; 24:47; 1 John 1:8-10. Cf. John 5:14; 8:11.) So your attempt to dichotomize belief and consciously-chosen action doesn't work, nor could it work, since logically speaking some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action.
Yet if one does not follow what Jesus Christ commanded, then one does not actually believe in Jesus Christ. Instead one believes in a lie. And that lie is necessarily a Satanic lie, since Christ's Commandment of the Golden Rule is a binary option: to not follow it is to do the opposite of it.
Boy you really have a problem here. If you sin, do you lose your salvation? Jesus never taught us to sin, you know. So one sin and your out. No security there, and heaven must be empty of humans...
God knows the sum total of our minds, and He is able to discern whether or not a person has attempted to make a *genuine* effort to abide by Jesus Christ's Commandment and to repent if having violated it. (On repentance, see Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32; 15:7; 24:47; 1 John 1:8-10. Cf. John 5:14; 8:11.) So your attempt to dichotomize belief and consciously-chosen action doesn't work, nor could it work, since logically speaking some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action.
Jesus Christ is quite clear that the only way one can believe in Him is by following His Commandment (Matthew 7:21-27, New King James Version; cf. Luke 6:46-49):
Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
What is the work (and will by default) of God? To believe in the One that He has sent.
Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Are you getting the works connection here? The three previously mentioned "works" Bring what? A declaration that Jesus "never knew" them.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:24-27:
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"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
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Christ commanded everyone to abide by the Golden Rule (see Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31). Another equivalent formulation of this is Jesus's Commandment that we love one another as He has loved us (see John 15:12,17; 13:15,34,35; 1 John 3:11,12,23; 4:11,20,21). Everything that Jesus ever commanded people to do can be logically reduced back to this one principle.
Further, Jesus Christ said that there are only two requirements for a person to receive eternal life (Luke 10:25-28, New King James Version; cf. Matthew 19:19; 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-34):
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And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
He said to him, "What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?"
So he answered and said, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.'"
And He said to him, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
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But these two requirements actually logically reduce to only one requirement: to love your neighbor as yourself. As Jesus said anything that we do to any of the least of His brethren we do to Him (see Matthew 25:31-46). So if we truly love each other then we automatically love God as well (cf. 1 John 2:10; 4:20).
When Jesus said of Himself, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6, New King James Version; cf. John 11:25), He was there being as literal as it is possible to be. In other words, the Second Person of the Trinity is literally *truth itself*, i.e., the Logos (see John 1:1-5).
And as Jesus said in John 14:15,23,24:
"If you love Me, keep My commandments. ...
... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."
We have 2 choices here... Either being born again fills the believer with the Holy Spirit, causing the Love relationship, or the loving relationship causes salvation. The Bible is quite clear, here. Remember "Not by works"? There are only 2 belief systems for attaining eternity in heaven. One says that we are measured by our works. The other says we can not achieve salvation on our own, and require the propitiation of Jesus' Blood.
As I said, there is no dichotomy between belief and action. All consciously-chosen action is predicated upon belief. We can either make conscious choices based upon correct belief, or false belief--but some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action. This is logically unavoidable.
Jesus leaves no room in His clear teachings for your false doctrine.
You can not reconcile your philosophy with Scripture. You can't jump through enough hoops to be without sin, which is required for permanent residence in heaven. God will not be in the presence of sin. However, if He sees a believer through the Blood of Christ, then Jesus' perfect and sinless life is propitiated to those who ask. If your scenario was true, then how do you know when you sin, that you are forgiven? You can't. You have already broken your rules.
God knows the sum total of our minds, and He is able to discern whether or not a person has attempted to make a *genuine* effort to abide by Jesus Christ's Commandment and to repent if having violated it. (On repentance, see Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32; 15:7; 24:47; 1 John 1:8-10. Cf. John 5:14; 8:11.) So your attempt to dichotomize belief and consciously-chosen action doesn't work, nor could it work, since logically speaking some form of belief must be involved in order to make a consciously-chosen action.
You obviously do a lot of academic work, but Jesus tells us to "Come to Him like a little Child". Faith alone for salvation. The horse is in front of the cart, not behind it. Born again, alone. The manifestation of the Holy Spirit in our lives is a gift from Him, not a payment from us. Then, and only then, can you love the Lord. And this is the "Good News". The good news is not that we have to be perfect, since we don't know which sin may cause us to lose salvation.
Jesus said that if one genuinely loves Him that one will abide by His Commandments: see John 14:12,15,21,23,24; 15:10; 1 John 2:3-6; 5:2,3. Thus, according to Jesus's statements on this issue, to be genuinely born again one must abide by His Commandments (cf. Matthew 7:21-27; Luke 6:46-49).
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ayed response didn't help your cause. Weak debating techniques. You are obviously more interested in "proving" your signature lines then finding Biblical Truth. If you study other academics, like maybe Dr. Lane Craig, you will find that there is a truth that you insist on ignoring. Note; I do not include the members of the "Jesus seminar." To quote Dr. John MacArthur, "I do not suggest throwing away the findings of the Jesus Seminar, lightly. Actually I suggest throwing them away with as much force as possible." Since you want to debate the Truth of Scripture ad nauseum, Maybe another Christian can get through. I am not being patronizing, here... I am sincerely concerned that you may be in the "Never knew you" category, And there is nothing in your life more important then changing that... I will be praying for you...
My cause is the truth, and the truth will out. My aforecited articles are part of the process of the truth coming to light. It is what I was born for. I was raised up by God for this purpose.
I make reference to Prof. William Lane Craig in my above-cited article "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything" and I have read a number of his works and watched a number of his lectures and debates. But Craig only expatiates within a narrow range of topics, whereas my above articles distill all of the most important aspects of veridical human knowledge into a comprehensive, coherent and unified whole: from theology, physics, science, ethics, legal theory, political theory, economics, sociology, epistemology to history.