And this is what i mean, we are discussing Time and the Trinity and wether Jesus always existed in the Alpha and Omega sense and the scriptural support for that. But you have gone back to your old Trintarian favourites, Thomas and John
This was in response to your comment "Well when the angel tells John not to worship him in 22:9, he tells him "Theos" Meaning God. Only Worship God essentially. (jesus is reffered to as Kyrie)"
Here you seem to be implying that in the angel's command to "
worship God" and not himself (i.e. the angel), he also meant to not worship Jesus. I was pointing out that Jesus is referred to as God (theos) as well as Lord (kyrios) in the NT. So your thesis fails. Your failure to acknowledge why I gave these two examples is another example of where you refuse to engage properly with what is said to you.
But you have gone back to your old Trintarian favourites, Thomas and John..
Would you prefer to cut their words out of the Bible?
From 22:10 it is Jesus Angel speaking to John
Where do you get the idea that Jesus is a mere angel?
He is Quoting God's words
Where do you find this stated in the text?
the trintatian doctrine made up by men 1000 years ago
I think you need to add a few hundred years to this figure
So as I understand it you think that in Rev 22 it is the angel who is speaking in verses 10-15. The angel is quoting God in verses 12-15, even though there is no indication of this (e.g. "God says"). Jesus only speaks in verse 16 according to you.
The conventional view is that the angel says verses 10,11 and Jesus says verses 12,13 and 16.
And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. 11“Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.”
12“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Note that in Rev 3:11 the phrase "I am coming soon" is clearly ascribed to Jesus and must refer to Jesus in 22:12.
‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11‘I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My GodSo your thesis involves the angel quoting Jesus in verse 12 and God in verse 13, even though there is no indication in the text of any part of your thesis!